Living in China

#Living in #China

"The reality behind the myths, the lies and the distortions"

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2025-05-18 18:09:03

Brad Koehn ☑️

bkoehn@diaspora.koehn.com

Wow that is some propaganda.

“I asked the LLM produced under the auspices of the totalitarian regime and it told me that it’s really great.”

Wow that’s some journalism.

2025-05-18 20:54:48

harry haller

harryhaller@diasp.eu

I asked Deepseek to give me a summary of how representation works in practice:

That was the exact quote. You haven't got off to a good start, have you? Now.. have you bothered to verify the replies?

A state which declares it works for the material and social benefit of the people is better than a state which defines corporations as people, and says that everything must be orientated towards profits and the benefits of the shareholders - and that nothing - even emergencies - must interfere with the running of business. "Nothing to see here, move on and keep shopping" - to paragaphrase New York Mayor Giuliani.

Propaganda - yes the article is about propaganda - and the west is the heartland of propaganda - but now tell me I'm wrong and you don't think that the west's propganda is mostly projection - and I'll teach you a bit of history...

Of course - Corporations can pay zillions for propaganda, but it's against the state religion of the USA that a social country full of people should be allowed to speak up - no, that would be against the USA corporations' interests - the old and the new nobility. Do you identify with them? Do you emulate them?

Ah - well the state propaganda - the corporations are the state - decides that - though, you'd call it sponsoring, advertising -they decide what you should emulate.

As for totalitarianism - I think that the west has shown that to all the free people - that is - those who lived freely in a world without private property, such as native people, as well as people who are trying to get rid of private people.

The USA is the model for Israel, all occupied territory - the natives on reservations. Strange.

Sorry - mate no moral high ground for your point of view - but ask me about totalitariansism and propaganda and the spreading of myths - as I said, I'll teach you some history about who inspired the NAzis... and then protected them - and still does.

All for the money....

2025-05-18 22:52:15

blindsite@nota.404.mn

Replacing a monarch with a single party authoritarian oligarchy doesn't seem like a huge improvement. Though I can see how it might be in keeping with Chinese history and culture. That being said HK clearly didn't want to be "given back" and violently protested Chinese mainland governance. They had, and wanted, true democracy not the CPP. Furthermore simply declaring Tibet or Taiwan Chinese provinces doesn't make the conquest of them any less an act of imperialism and oppression. If China's mandate is to respect the will of the people as you claim then it should respect when large demographics do not wish to be part of their dominion, wish to self govern and retain their autonomy. If there are enough people to form a protest movement should that not indicate there are enough people to respect the will of the people?

Comparing China to a corrupt democracy or to a constitutional monarchy isn't exactly a selling point in it's favor. True it might not be any better than the mess that is the UK, the U.S. or Canada but how does it hold up against Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland or Germany which have strong democracies?

Stating your monarch Xi Ping influences the ENTIRE country with his own personal moral code (no gambling, prostitution or porn) is also disturbing. As are some of the countries China has chosen to help (ex North Korea).

Perhaps you have dispelled some of the notions people might have with China however you have raised many new ones. You might as well call the CPP the new Emperor and the head thereof it's figurehead just like his the British Monarchy works. And that is kind of the point. No one who truly believes in democracy can stand monarchy. Even those who still live within them often rise up against them (That is in fact how the U.S. was founded). While in practical terms there might be many benefits or work arounds for living in China fundamentally for many the mindset and philosophy is different.

2025-05-19 06:06:34

harry haller

harryhaller@diasp.eu

Democracy is the system whereby an elite class rule. The present meaning of the word democracy merely means you vote for the representatives that the elite offer to you. You have no power to participate in the creation, debate and passing of laws. The word was already a gross misnomer before it left Greece. It only gained use again when the elite of bourgeoisie used it differ themselves fromthe aristocracy who's relationship to the rest of the population was mmore honest and clear. The people who rule in a democracy pretend that the vote gives you power - this is absurd. Anyone who believes that has no understanding of the meaning of the word power, just as they have no idea of the original meaning of the word "people" in democracy.

If those who claim they live in a democracy wish to stand and be responsible for the wars and exploitations that "their" have committed, then fine - the trouble is that any court would prove that they cannot be held responsible. Only when you understand the class nature of society, how the ruling elite live in their own society with their own schools etc. can you see the absurdity of the idea of democracy and why the elite laug and smile at the voters who rely for their information on their ruling elites.

The problem though is this idea that you have the right to judge another country - an arrogant imperialist attitude which is encouraged in you by the media. Your judgements are based on those given to you who wish you to justify their actions.

The USA dominates and interferes in other countries internal affairs - provenly and openly - buying and corrupting politicians and groups. This is openly done. In the same way that the USA ekite manipulate elections in the USA.

But the difference is that the west are ruled by rich families who rule in their own interests, whereas socialist countries provenly rule in the social interest. They make errors, it but they stand aup and measure themselves by the those improvements, whereas the capitalist countries are only interested inthe profitability of the the corporations and their shareholders and conserving the property rights of the landowners. Please read the speech by the British Pime Minister regarding the Irish Famine in which he reassured the parliament that the famine would not be allowed to interfere with their business interests. Then read the draft treaty for an EU constituition which expresses the same sentiment. And then the laws and judgements which for CEO only to act in the interests of the shareholders and not any other interest - eg the community.

And you claim you have a say in these things....?

In socialism you have have everyday democracy, whereas in capitalism you have everyday fascism. Wherever you put your feet - at work or in the shops, in the fields you are on private property.

Freedom?

As Georges Simenon said in an interview - "the only true man is a tramp because on the tramp has the courage to be free"

The democracy that one discusses are just opinion polls - they are the dictatorship of the business class - the bourgeoisie. When they see China they complain that have no say, no dictatorship - unlike in the west.

Still - it doesn't matter - it's amazing how narrow minds have become - it is forbidden to offer other point of views without it being denounced as a crime - all tis in a "democracy" please note. All those who doubted the power of the oligarch owned media could see it displayed.

There is, of course, no difference between monarchies and bourgeoise republics -just as there is no real difference between conservatives and liberals. The bourgoisise are themselves aristocrats. Conservatism and liberalism are not mututally exclusive; they cannot be - they are the two sides of the same coin - they vary in imporatance in the economy over time and place, just as among the elite they vary in importance according to the changing circumstances.

Any normal person who belives that democracy gives themselves power wallows in blissful ignorance - and showers blame and shame upon themselves.

A state is not a village.

2025-05-19 19:40:20

blindsite@nota.404.mn

I think you are confusing democracy which is rule by the people, and oligarchy which is to be ruled by a small group, or plutocracy which is to rule by money. If democracy has been compromised as you describe Harry, it doesn't change the definition of democracy but rather signify the transition into a plutocracy oligarchy or even an authoritarian autocracy (rule by one, an absolute single authority) assuming that a single individual replaces the oligarchy instead of the restoration of democracy.

2025-05-28 22:01:17

Mulkurul

mulk@diasp.eu

Brad is not at all interested in what contradicts his preferred narative. He has made that clear, along with his amen chorus... Just too clever by half.