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2023-07-14 20:18:34

kuchinster@hub.hubzilla.de

brainwavelost@nerdpol.ch schrieb den folgenden Beitrag Fri, 14 Jul 2023 16:52:06 +0200

@Fabian Anarchist For some history is only starting in Feb 2022, what do you think about that? https://twitter.com/Glenn_Diesen/status/1679354977288966144

"William Burns, former US ambassador to Moscow and current Director of the CIA, warned in 2008 that attempting to expand NATO to Ukraine could 1) cause a civil war, and 2) a Russian invasion (which "Russia does not want")
It is necessary to address the cause of the war to end it."
#USA #CIA #nato #ukraine #history #Russia

history

2023-07-15 08:42:45

John Rooke

jalfro@diasp.eu

It is a pity that he did not warn that invading Ukraine could lead to the expansion of NATO!

The mistakes of the past have already been made. We are where we are and must deal with reality as it is, not how we would like it to be.

The cause of the war is Putin's decision to invade Ukraine. The only viable solution is for Russia to get out of Ukraine as quickly as possible. No justice, no peace.

2023-07-15 09:16:18

John Rooke

jalfro@diasp.eu

If you believe the Kremlin's propaganda about Ukraine being a Nazi state, I see little hope for you. All countries have problems with fascism, but Russia is a genocidal state engaged in an imperialist adventure. No free people would choose Russian domination over membership of NATO, especially a people with a history like that of the Ukrainians. For some history is only starting with the break-up of the Soviet Union. They forget Trotsky's war against the Ukrainian anarchists in 1919-21 and the deliberate starvation of the Ukrainian people by Stalin in the early 1930s. Only immediate Russian retreat can hope to prevent NATO expansion, and even this is now highly unlikely.

2023-07-15 09:54:37

kuchinster

kuchinster@hub.hubzilla.de

@Fabian Anarchist Western leaders promised Gorbachev not to expand NATO eastward, they knew how it would turn out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIoRKLdwxXA
Sorry, but you are the one who is fooled by Western propaganda. I have been living in Ukraine for over forty years and I see the changes that have taken place here during the period of so-called independence, I also regularly visit my relatives in Russia, where I also see changes. I see in Ukraine and in Kharkov how flower sellers give the Nazi salute to ukrainian soldiers, how children in dance circles listen and dance to fascist songs. Look here my channel on the tag #ukraine and you will see the horror that we have, especially since the government coup #Maidan in 2014.
And you, sitting in Manchester, are going to tell me what's going on? Are you telling me about our history (studying it has been my hobby for over 30 years ), what do you klinknow about it?

2023-07-15 10:08:53

kuchinster

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@Fabian Anarchist

the deliberate starvation of the Ukrainian people by Stalin in the early 1930s.

You don't have to tell me about this western myth:
https://hub.hubzilla.de/channel/kuchinster?mid=b64.aHR0cHM6Ly9odWIuaHViemlsbGEuZGUvaXRlbS8wNzkwODZjMy1iNmNkLTRmNzgtYjExYS0zOGFiM2Y5OTU1MjY

2023-07-15 10:04:43

John Rooke

jalfro@diasp.eu

Western leaders promised Gorbachev not to expand NATO eastward

So fucking what? You compare an alleged broken promise with the genocidal murder of millions of people?

2023-07-15 10:06:28

John Rooke

jalfro@diasp.eu

#Holodomor #genocide #Stalin

2023-07-15 10:21:59

John Rooke

jalfro@diasp.eu

I suppose Russian betrayal of the Ukrainian Anarchists was a myth also? And the betrayal of the Spanish? And sabotage of the Russian Revolution? And Stalin's purges? And the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact? And the betrayal of the Warsaw Jews? And all the antisemitic pogroms?

Your link is irrelevant. The gulags had nothing to do with the Holodomor. Learn some history.

2023-07-15 10:24:33

John Rooke

jalfro@diasp.eu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

2023-07-15 14:01:07

John Rooke

jalfro@diasp.eu

Well you've completely given yourself away now. You are obviously an antisemite, as well as a totalitarian. I do not associate with racists and I will have nothing more to do with you. No, I will not explain your mistakes, just so you can become a more efficient fascist propagandist. Goodbye.